From: | "Hoffman, Lee D." <LHoffman@PULLCOM.COM> |
Date: | 27 Oct 2006 14:45:23 -0000 |
Reply: | cpeo-brownfields |
Subject: | [CPEO-BIF] Re: Re-Working the Thinking on Brownfields Subsidies |
One way to bridge the gap between Peter and Barry might be to incrementalize the funding. I've seen this done by various local agencies here in Connecticut, and I think it could work more broadly in that the subsidies can be tied to specific events. In order for developers to get on board with this, you have to make the specific events as clear as possible and subject to no interpretation. You either hit the target or you don't. However, once a developer hits a given target, the incentive money automatically flows to the developer. For example, in one transaction I was involved in, a series of condominiums was going up at a former MGP site. In that case, the redevelopment agency gave some money up front, additional money when certain cleanup targets were met, and then gave several payments when various certificates of occupancy were issued by the municipality. In that way, as one portion was cleaned and deemed suitable for occupancy, money flowed automatically to the developer who could use that funding to begin the next stage of development. Obviously, this is not a one-size-fits-all cure, but it certainly beats the alternatives of having a developer "on the hook" to lose a portion of funding after the money has already been spent in good faith. That is going to put a chill into the development community. Lee D. Hoffman Pullman & Comley, LLC 90 State House Square Hartford, CT 06103-3702 Direct (860) 424-4315 | Fax (860) 424-4370 Mobile (860) 306-9843 lhoffman@pullcom.com | www.pullcom.com | Bio THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVILEGED, AND IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE NAMED RECEIVER. 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RE: Subsidies (Trilling, Barry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:20:12 -0400 From: "Peter B. Meyer" <pbmeyer@louisville.edu> Subject: Re: [CPEO-BIF] Subsidies To: 'Brownfields Internet Forum' <brownfields@list.cpeo.org> Message-ID: <4541A51C.2090401@louisville.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Having worked in local economic development for some 30 years and brownfields for over a decade, I have to agree fully with Barry Trilling on the ideal for determining what subsidies are appropriate. But I still disagree with him completely on the real possibility of the calculation being seriously undertaken at the local level. Thus some sort of ex-post monitoring, holding recipients responsible for what they promise, is needed. Sharon Barr accurately points out that, "... it is very hard to come up with a perfect formula that also works in the dirty nitty-gritty world of political influence and decisionmaking. One cannot underestimate the role of politics in this arena ..." This is the reality. Her observations echo academic research and informal narratives about economic development practice that have been around for decades. The public sector generally has to rely on the applicants for financial support for the data it needs to assess their applications ... and it is not realistic to assume that there will be no distortion of the information provided in order to increase the chance of getitng funding. The political pressures on local officials are actually more acute in the case of brownfields than in 'normal' economic development. Efforts to influence decisions come not merely from developers interested in potential profits from brownfields, but also from neighborhoods and community based organizations concerned for pollution abate and human and environmental health risk reduction. The possibility of deriving a single allocation formula for brownfield support is further confounded relative to the grant of support for traditional economic development efforts due to multiple objectives As Sharon noted, traditional economic development has focused on jobs, incomes, and property value increases, while brownfield redevelopment efforts include additional objectives, including housing provision, protection of human health, preservation of environmental conditions. In light of these concerns, it is inappropriate for public policy to be grounded wholly in a belief in the possibility of objectivity in subsidy provision, or in calculations of public rates of return. Barry, and others who have agrred with him, are correct that any retrospective look back and imposition of accountability might discourage some developers from engaging in some brownfield projects. However, the increased efficiency and effectiveness of public spending on brownfields that such accountability could generate must also be considered. Any subsidy funds provided that are not needed to make a project economically viable are funds not available for other possible subsidies that could actually increase the number of brownfields redeveloped. The issue is not one of "subsidize or not" but rather of the allocation of public funds to maximize attainment of public objectives through that spending. We can all agree that we want to see the limited brownfield funds available have the greatest possible impact on the rate of site mitigation and redevelopment. We may all also agree that we would prefer to see more public funds available. To the extent that additional appropriations depend on demonstrated effectiveness in utilization of current funds, increased accountability can lead directly to future expansion of public funding for the reclamation of contaminated lands, Peter Meyer ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:03:25 -0400 From: "Trilling, Barry" <BTrilling@wiggin.com> Subject: Re: [CPEO-BIF] Subsidies To: <pbmeyer@louisville.edu>, <brownfields@list.cpeo.org> Message-ID: <8785D27486771F43B6970B8EA12709E2036C19DD@sfexch01.wiggin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Peter Meyer and I actually agree more than we disagree except with regard to the efficiency and wisdom of claw backs. I object to a non-market oriented approach that has no upside and that is subject to post-hoc second guessing that may result in discouraging optimum participation in the brownfield develoment process. Rather than clawbacks, why not borrow a page from the private sector and use a "risk sharing" approach to inventivize goal attainment, followed bt program evaluation and adjustment? For example, the public entity could award an amount to the developer for an amount with a clearly articulated and quantifiable negotiated goal which, if not met, requires some refund, and if exceeded, requires some bonus to the developer. That would be a rational arms length process that would encourage participation and disincentivise poor performance. Barry -----Original Message----- From: brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org <brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org> To: 'Brownfields Internet Forum' <brownfields@list.cpeo.org> Sent: Fri Oct 27 02:20:12 2006 Subject: Re: [CPEO-BIF] Subsidies Having worked in local economic development for some 30 years and brownfields for over a decade, I have to agree fully with Barry Trilling on the ideal for determining what subsidies are appropriate. But I still disagree with him completely on the real possibility of the calculation being seriously undertaken at the local level. Thus some sort of ex-post monitoring, holding recipients responsible for what they promise, is needed. Sharon Barr accurately points out that, "... it is very hard to come up with a perfect formula that also works in the dirty nitty-gritty world of political influence and decisionmaking. One cannot underestimate the role of politics in this arena ..." This is the reality. Her observations echo academic research and informal narratives about economic development practice that have been around for decades. The public sector generally has to rely on the applicants for financial support for the data it needs to assess their applications ... and it is not realistic to assume that there will be no distortion of the information provided in order to increase the chance of getitng funding. The political pressures on local officials are actually more acute in the case of brownfields than in 'normal' economic development. Efforts to influence decisions come not merely from developers interested in potential profits from brownfields, but also from neighborhoods and community based organizations concerned for pollution abate and human and environmental health risk reduction. The possibility of deriving a single allocation formula for brownfield support is further confounded relative to the grant of support for traditional economic development efforts due to multiple objectives As Sharon noted, traditional economic development has focused on jobs, incomes, and property value increases, while brownfield redevelopment efforts include additional objectives, including housing provision, protection of human health, preservation of environmental conditions. In light of these concerns, it is inappropriate for public policy to be grounded wholly in a belief in the possibility of objectivity in subsidy provision, or in calculations of public rates of return. Barry, and others who have agrred with him, are correct that any retrospective look back and imposition of accountability might discourage some developers from engaging in some brownfield projects. However, the increased efficiency and effectiveness of public spending on brownfields that such accountability could generate must also be considered. Any subsidy funds provided that are not needed to make a project economically viable are funds not available for other possible subsidies that could actually increase the number of brownfields redeveloped. The issue is not one of "subsidize or not" but rather of the allocation of public funds to maximize attainment of public objectives through that spending. We can all agree that we want to see the limited brownfield funds available have the greatest possible impact on the rate of site mitigation and redevelopment. We may all also agree that we would prefer to see more public funds available. To the extent that additional appropriations depend on demonstrated effectiveness in utilization of current funds, increased accountability can lead directly to future expansion of public funding for the reclamation of contaminated lands, Peter Meyer _______________________________________________ Brownfields mailing list Brownfields@list.cpeo.org http://www.cpeo.org/mailman/listinfo/brownfields ********************************************************************** This transmittal is intended for a particular addressee(s). It may constitute a confidential attorney-client communication. 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URL: http://www.cpeo.org/pipermail/brownfields/attachments/20061027/54409c57/ attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:29:42 -0400 From: "Trilling, Barry" <BTrilling@wiggin.com> Subject: RE: [CPEO-BIF] Subsidies To: "Trilling, Barry" <BTrilling@wiggin.com>, <pbmeyer@louisville.edu>, <brownfields@list.cpeo.org> Message-ID: <8785D27486771F43B6970B8EA12709E2036C19DE@sfexch01.wiggin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Apologies for the spelling typo's: I wrote that last message on my Blackberry while on a train, but I think the meaning nonetheless came through. BJT -----Original Message----- From: brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org [mailto:brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org] On Behalf Of Trilling, Barry Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:03 AM To: pbmeyer@louisville.edu; brownfields@list.cpeo.org Subject: Re: [CPEO-BIF] Subsidies Peter Meyer and I actually agree more than we disagree except with regard to the efficiency and wisdom of claw backs. I object to a non-market oriented approach that has no upside and that is subject to post-hoc second guessing that may result in discouraging optimum participation in the brownfield develoment process. Rather than clawbacks, why not borrow a page from the private sector and use a "risk sharing" approach to inventivize goal attainment, followed bt program evaluation and adjustment? For example, the public entity could award an amount to the developer for an amount with a clearly articulated and quantifiable negotiated goal which, if not met, requires some refund, and if exceeded, requires some bonus to the developer. That would be a rational arms length process that would encourage participation and disincentivise poor performance. Barry -----Original Message----- From: brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org <brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org> To: 'Brownfields Internet Forum' <brownfields@list.cpeo.org> Sent: Fri Oct 27 02:20:12 2006 Subject: Re: [CPEO-BIF] Subsidies Having worked in local economic development for some 30 years and brownfields for over a decade, I have to agree fully with Barry Trilling on the ideal for determining what subsidies are appropriate. But I still disagree with him completely on the real possibility of the calculation being seriously undertaken at the local level. Thus some sort of ex-post monitoring, holding recipients responsible for what they promise, is needed. Sharon Barr accurately points out that, "... it is very hard to come up with a perfect formula that also works in the dirty nitty-gritty world of political influence and decisionmaking. One cannot underestimate the role of politics in this arena ..." This is the reality. Her observations echo academic research and informal narratives about economic development practice that have been around for decades. The public sector generally has to rely on the applicants for financial support for the data it needs to assess their applications ... and it is not realistic to assume that there will be no distortion of the information provided in order to increase the chance of getitng funding. The political pressures on local officials are actually more acute in the case of brownfields than in 'normal' economic development. Efforts to influence decisions come not merely from developers interested in potential profits from brownfields, but also from neighborhoods and community based organizations concerned for pollution abate and human and environmental health risk reduction. The possibility of deriving a single allocation formula for brownfield support is further confounded relative to the grant of support for traditional economic development efforts due to multiple objectives As Sharon noted, traditional economic development has focused on jobs, incomes, and property value increases, while brownfield redevelopment efforts include additional objectives, including housing provision, protection of human health, preservation of environmental conditions. In light of these concerns, it is inappropriate for public policy to be grounded wholly in a belief in the possibility of objectivity in subsidy provision, or in calculations of public rates of return. Barry, and others who have agrred with him, are correct that any retrospective look back and imposition of accountability might discourage some developers from engaging in some brownfield projects. However, the increased efficiency and effectiveness of public spending on brownfields that such accountability could generate must also be considered. Any subsidy funds provided that are not needed to make a project economically viable are funds not available for other possible subsidies that could actually increase the number of brownfields redeveloped. The issue is not one of "subsidize or not" but rather of the allocation of public funds to maximize attainment of public objectives through that spending. We can all agree that we want to see the limited brownfield funds available have the greatest possible impact on the rate of site mitigation and redevelopment. We may all also agree that we would prefer to see more public funds available. To the extent that additional appropriations depend on demonstrated effectiveness in utilization of current funds, increased accountability can lead directly to future expansion of public funding for the reclamation of contaminated lands, Peter Meyer _______________________________________________ Brownfields mailing list Brownfields@list.cpeo.org http://www.cpeo.org/mailman/listinfo/brownfields ********************************************************************** This transmittal is intended for a particular addressee(s). It may constitute a confidential attorney-client communication. If it is not clear that you are the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, copying or distribution or dissemination is strictly prohibited. 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