2007 CPEO Brownfields List Archive

From: "Robert Paterson" <rgfp@mail.utexas.edu>
Date: 19 Jul 2007 18:55:46 -0000
Reply: cpeo-brownfields
Subject: RE: [CPEO-BIF] Re: Brownfields Digest, Vol 35, Issue 13
 

Peter could probably speak better to the metrics question, although there is some controversy about how some of those numbers are derived. For example, if a brownfield site is reclaimed and a new commercial facility is created, is that new growth or just redistributed growth as merchants move from one part of town to another with newer buildings and amenities and market draw potential?  Vacancy rates go up elsewhere….so getting a clean clear answer is not always as straight forward as one would wish.

 

A full B/C analysis is time consuming and often a contested exercise because like risk assessment, if you torture the numbers enough (or shift assumptions or estimation methods) you can get them to say anything you want…That’s not to say you cant first get agreement on reasonable assumption and estimation methods and then say the numbers are reasonable in light of the agreed upon approach--by both sides of the issue) (this is a form of data mediation or joint fact finding).

 

In the end, the issue that is not stated as clearly as it should be is really one of “opportunity costs”…all else being equal, is this the best use of foregone revenues from tax abatements in cases when the level of contamination is minor and liability issues are truly negligible (and the open question remains, whether without subsidies, the market will eventually pick up and reuse the site) – can state agencies do a better job of steering resources where they are going to provide the greatest net societal benefits, and perhaps have higher expectations for local benefits as a quid pro quo for abatements or other subsidies?  Perhaps the number of sites that would have developed anyway with or without abatements and tax credits is small, but since we don’t seem to look real close, it seems like the opportunities for abuse are significant and real.  And given limited tax dollars and resources, waste is not an option. There may well be better places to spend for net societal benefits that exceed our current approach…such as more attention to brownfield prevention efforts? Or whatever….

 

Empowerment and enterprise zones (federal and state varieties) tried to ensure that employment gains would accrue to impacted areas with highest unemployment and ideally be part of an overall economic redevelopment program that is responsive to impacted neighborhoods and the overall community needs.

 

Are we asking too much and how much should we be asking of subsidies given to stimulate private sector brownfield action?

 

I’m curious what happened in DC where a small group of folks on this list met and discussed this- I was abroad and could not attend.

 

 If someone can send a summary off-line – that would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kind regards

 

Bob

 

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From: brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org [mailto:brownfields-bounces@list.cpeo.org] On Behalf Of LSchnapf@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:25 PM
To: brownfields@list.cpeo.org
Subject: [CPEO-BIF] Re: Brownfields Digest, Vol 35, Issue 13

 

As a followup to Ken Kamlet's letter to the editor, the statistics publicized by the article fail to mention the benefits from the brownfield program. There is no estimation of the jobs created or taxes generated by the BCP projects.

 

The data only presents one side of the story..and several of the attorneys I know who were queried as part of the study by the Environmental Business Association brownfield task force that I chair indicate that the estimates produced by the Division of Budget are inaccurate for a number of sites by either overestimating the tax credits or underestimating the cleanup costs. As one attorney told me, if the state numbers are right about the tax credit his client got, then he did not bill his client enough in legal fees. )

 

I would like to know if there are metrics that are used by government or academics that predict the number of jobs and taxes generated by redevelopment projects. This information is missing from the data generated by the state and thus does not tell the whole picture about BCP.

 

Larry  

 

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