2008 CPEO Brownfields List Archive

From: "Paul Nathanail" <Paul@lqm.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Reply: cpeo-brownfields
Subject: Re: [CPEO-BIF] Scope of Brownfield Program-continued
 
Larry asked "If a state brownfield program has limited funds, why should it be used to renovate an obsolete building when there is another redevelopment tool available. The limited state brownfield funding should be reserved for those sites where the contamination is the reason the site is not being redeveloped. Without caveating my answer to death, a renovated building is then available for reoccupation and can then be a part of the revitalisation of a neighbourhood. A remediated site still needs redevelopment before regeneration can take place. In the case of economically marginal sites UK public funds are invested in infrastructure and reclamation in order to create a platform on which the private sector can build.
 
It is very difficult - virtually impossible - to buck the regional or dare one suggest the global economy. However certainly in the UK our experience has been that dealing with the contamination does not help a site return to beneficial use. CERCLA - and our own Part 2A of the Environmental Protection Act 1990 - are designed to identify and deal with large, unnacceptable, risks to human health and the environment.
 
The problems of 'structural change' - are large scale unemployment - of both people and land. The solution to the derelict sites Larry refers to and which are very similar to those here in the UK and across other parts of Europe has to be to create conditions where people are needed, biodiversity protected and business wants to take advantage of. The presence of contamination is only a minor irritant to investors, it is other larger issues that dictate investment decisions.
 
Intervention has to be broader than just remediaiton and because of the changes to our economy since the late 1970s we have had to find strategies to protect biodiversity and create employment opportunities in order to maintain the conditions for sustainable communities, Specific examples you may want to google are Derby's Pride Park, Manchester's Trafford Centre, Uxbridge's Stockley Park - there are others across Europe too. My own University is slowly taking over tracts of derelict former industrial land in west Nottingham (Jubillee Campus) and the vacant and underused former Carlton TV studios (Kings Meadows campus).
 
best regards and I hope you all have a fantastic 4 July holiday!
 
 
Paul Nathanail
 
 


From: LSchnapf@aol.com [mailto:LSchnapf@aol.com]
Sent: 04 July 2008 03:28
To: brownfields@lists.cpeo.org
Cc: Paul Nathanail
Subject: Scope of Brownfield Program-continued

I have to respectfully disagree with my friend from the other side of the pond.
 
If the problem with a site is the underlying social-economic conditions, shouldn't the problem be the focus of the public tools specially designed for economic development. Brownfield programs are intended to address the sites where the environmental issues are contributing to the under-utilization or development.
 
We have been having quite a debate in NY on the proper scope of the brownfield program. Upstate NY has lots of under-utilized sites that no amount of brownfield incentives could fix because it is the regional economy and not the contamination that is the obstacle for redevelopment. we have the most generous brownfield program in the country and it has not been enough of an incentive upstate because it does not change the underlying economic conditions.
 
CERCLA type legislation is not the answer either since we have had lots of sites cleaned up in NY but the sites remain un-used because the regional economy does not support an economically-viable reuse.
 
If a state brownfield program has limited funds, why should it be used to renovate an obsolete building when there is another redevelopment tool available. The limited state brownfield funding should be reserved for those sites where the contamination is the reason the site is not being redeveloped.
 
Larry
 
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