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On Thursday, August 13, 2026 at 09:27:20 AM EDT, crborello@aol.com <crborello@aol.com> wrote:
Telling the truth about WIngfoot and Uniontown IEL radiation Carolee could put a major monkey wrench into their nuclear expansion plans! "Need alot more energy for those data centers - and nuclear is listed big time. So dare not have any nasty stories coming out regarding the US government's gross mishandling of past nuclear wastes- not just what happened to the "Downwinders" and mine workers, but how sloppy in their zealous to build the bomb they were, not worrying about collateral damage.
IEL's story is probably the worse case scenario possible. Dr. Julie Rice would always first and foremost raise the insane location - In a formerly excavated sand and gravel pit, in a glaciated area of highly permeably soils.... Begging the crucial question that partially drives the massive coverup today: DID they deliberately chose to bring all these wastes, chemicals and radiation BECAUSE of this very fact? That is is a large toilet bowl they could readily flush their wastes, vs. taking it to a licensed facility for better disposal?
ADD to that mix the local and State Health Depts. roles, that of course were supposed to PROTECT us from such dangers.... Then there was just plain greed, developers who didn't give a rats behind if we all had wells and our children bathed, drank it...In fact, US EPA R5's Remedial Investigation's head contractor, Dr. Sidney Paige, picked me up in a rented car to have me show him the drain pipes into my hill SW, where babies via miscarriages, crib deaths, died back to back side by side in my allotment.
When Greg pulled up below the 2005 interview by EPA of Tom Grumbly, about it being some kind of "religious quest" because I wouldn't believe EPA., what made me laugh is that Tom himself was quite emotional back then about what he was uncovering on behalf of Bill Reilly, culminating into his going to Congress seeking a full scal probe with "subpoena powers". As he tucked his tail in 2005 and ate crow for EPA as many have had to do, and even Greg calling me "emotional" and driven.
I would like to ask : Just watch the constant info mercials of St. Jude's of children with cancer, Leukemia and the "emotion" expressed by parents ( so that St. Jude gets more donations to find a cure" for childhood cancer??? Well, if I am "emotional" it is based on facts - includng what Tom Grumbly himself said to me and others in person , Dr. Robert Simon, Beltz expert witness who called and said we have "top secret nuclear weapons waste", the State EPA Project Manager saying the Nuclear Tritium ( over a million pico curies, cited on page 15 of the Grumbly SAB EPA Report........."it was like residents drinking waste water from a power plant"..
Yeah, emotional...vs. those who are so without heart, souls that they know what they know and allow this to continue, in Lake Twp. Stark County, the State and higher...
Chris for CCLT
On Thursday, August 13, 2026 at 01:15:16 AM EDT, Carolee Dasher <carolee.dasher@gmail.com> wrote:
I am actually kinda miffed because with all this recycling of "Energy" for the golden era one would think they would be coming for wingfoot and IEL to happily take what was dumped....like their new plans at portsmouth.
From: Greg M. Schwartz <greg.m.schwartz@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: NRC files on Ohio's Goodyear/Wingfoot facility?
Well he accused you of being on “a religious quest” because you wouldn’t believe the EPA was operating in good faith. But since this interview was in December of 2005, it means he’s never seen my reporting on all the crooked science & data manipulation…
or the connection to Tetra Tech at Hunters Point.
So on the one hand, I’d like to believe reading our reporting could convince him to speak up again. On the other hand, the fact that he’s aligned himself with the shills at BTI does not bode well in that regard… but I guess it would only cost
me about a half hour of time to craft such an email query…
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Well, thinking upon this further while feeding the critters just now down at the barn, it dawned on me that you have repeatedly sounded just like Tom to our core group, calling me "emotinal" how many times Greg? So it's actually pretty funny, when you point
out these passages quoting Tom...How are you any different? Just last week, you dissed me on the "evidence" of man-mades, that Mike Ketterer cited in his 2022 letter as he raised the "national security" issue, the nuclear Tritium and Tc99..
Or, how you keep beating me down about our case being old news, decades' old, your favorite words being "beating a dead horse, chasing rabbits down a hole"..blah blah..
Push comes to shove, grassroots front liner activists always bear the brunt, ask anyone, vs. "funded orgs", grant recipients who have to mind their P's and Q's...
So what you pointed out Grumbly said was really nothing new, or different, from what you yourself continue to hammer me over... I content that like the Epstein victims, also 30 + years and counting, we all deserve truth and justice. So what if our struggle
has been 40 years? Your position is, the coverup at IEL is so immense, it's "too big to fail"...
So, sure, Tom could have stood up for CCLT alot better, but like Dr. Barry Johnson, former head at ATSDR/CDC, he had to tuck his tail and apologize to Tim Fields at USEPA for daring to speak the truth about how ATSDR got "punished some 15 million dollars in
funding cuts" for helping Uniontown...which Dr. Johnson confirmed by nodding - when I asked infront of two other witnesses: Dr. Johnson, do you mean for bringing in US Geological Survey challenging Region 5 EPA on the groundwater flow directions, and for
triggering the buyout , evacuation of our IEL border home families. Yes, replied Johnson...But he too, push came to shove had to play down his words to CCLT....like Grumbly..
THIS, I believe IS to your point Greg, when you keep pressing IEL coverup is too big to fail, right, where all those, even with best intentions, cave , at the end of the day, for fear of retaliation?
At the end of the day, Tom Grumbly still did alot of good, when he got "Closing the Circle of the Splitting of the Atom" into print and went on TV talking about all the radiation sites from the Cold War around the Nation...
There’s no smug here and I’m not gloating Chris, I’m just showing you that Tom Grumbly is not likely to be your whistleblowing savior. Yet you still want to believe that he could be , after reading these comments ?
You still think I should reach out and try to interview him again? I would like to get his reaction to Dave’s “crooked as shit” analysis, but again, the BTI is a bunch of pro-nuke shills.
They’ve also probably got me on a blacklist for giving them grief on Twitter…
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Greg,
Wipe the smug off yer face.. You cherry picked...sorry... This was EPA interviewing him...Seriously, dude.. What did you really expect? Tom knows the game. Do you perhaps wonder why Uniontown IEL was deliberately brought up by this UN Named EPA person?
Golly.. Maybe it was Tim Fields himself... SEE PAGE 20, where Tom tries it seems to me to give some "cover" to ol' Carole Browner, VS. lifers....THAT in my opinion clearly pointed to Tim Fields and Michael Shapiro.... Dah...
Citizens always always bear the brunt, Ruley did this to us, after her 180, Prior she sang our praises... After the squeeze, she demonized us, our experts. POGO's Danielle told me Tom got run out of DOE in 1997, something about some relationship with Al Gore....deals...
But you chose to take his interview out of context...not cool... shame on you... This doesn't erase how stressed out Tom was at our town meeting, how he grabbed glass after glass of water. * Judi of our CCLT Board made a point of this) He was sweating, too..
as he spoke.. He told me at the break...( same point in the meeting when Louise Fabinski from ATSDR infront of her higher up boss, Bill Adams, just under Barry Johnson, how "the SABwill take of some things, but won't address the "mob involvement'>..Tom heard
that.. But He at that same time told me how R5 pressured him so badly in his hotel room about what he could say, that he said he REALLY didn't want to even be there at the meeting...Was sobad, he said..
And I looked the man in the face, Greg, and he wasn't fabricating any of this.. Nor , when he came to my home in N. Canton to meet withCCLTBoard members, how he said Ohio EPA's Bob Princic "was a very very bad boy for writing that letter to Region 5"...
So GLOAT all ya want. I know what I know...And you, no one, can convince me otherwise...Bob Horowitz, Stark Co. Prosecutor similarly like Tom G., was "all in" regarding IEL, incorporated CCLT to get both EPA TAG grants, spoke to Stark Realtors who coughed
up money for CCLT, flew to D.C. twice, and to Chicago, ALWAYS PUSHING the radiation issue...
UNTIL the squeeze , like with Sue Ruley.. SO the way I view what you sent, with ol'd EPA putting it to Tom, I think it pretty interesting Uniontown IEL got front and center, IN DIRECT CONTRAST WITH Lisa Crawford's Fernald Site...Which I have recently been
raising, quoting Lisa about IEL being a DOE "bastard child"....AND, as Lisa likewise admitted, DOE, under GRUMBLY, quote: Made her site, FernaldDOE's cleanup "poster child"..
SO, according to Danielle, long ago, in 1997, TOM GOT RUN OUT OF DOE.. BUT GREG, HE WAS THE ONE WHO PUSHED FORWARD< WENT ON NATIONAL TV, about all the rad sites spread around the nation...AND< IT WAS TOM WHO UNDER HAZEL O'LEARY, the booklet , 1994, "Closing
the Circle of the Splitting of the Atom"...
So, let's now weigh all this together... I was even told by one official, that there were those inside DOE who were waiting Tom out, that they said THEY would survive, while he wouldn't... Yeah...I still believe in Tom...and you can say and do what you
want ...He may have wimped out to survive...after they got info. apparently to run him out...So, we know how evil, dirty things played...Tell me something I already don't know....Sure, he painted me, CCLT as emotional.. easy peasey...like funding orgs. likewise
also do to us grassroots.., when it suits their purpose. Julie once told me Ohio Environmental Council labeled us pushing back on fracking early on as "fringe radicals".. .and they didn't want us "at the table",with OEC and the State players.. Mary Cirelli,
former Stark Commissioner and State Rep. would say to me, Chris: "they all use and abuse" ....
And on a similar note -- I just found a 2005 interview with Tom Grumbly about Superfund. It includes a section about IEL and I'm sorry Chris, but you're really not going to like what he had to say 20 years ago... so you need to temper your expectations
about what he might say now, as it casts doubt on whether he would have any useful critique to offer at all. I will say in your defense that I think his characterization of you is a bit unfair, but it goes to show that he's not going to be a savior for IEL...
The part about IEL starts on page 11 of the document/page 12 of the PDF file:
I have taken the liberty here of highlighting the comments that are likely going to upset you:
EPA Interviewer: Today is December 28, 2005, and we are about to start another interview with Tom Grumbly. We’re here at the offices of Lockheed-Martin in Seabrook, Maryland, and the last time we left off, we were talking about some of your site-specific
experiences, and we had a really interesting one that you described at Fernald, which was a positive experience, and then I was going to ask you about Industrial Excess and what that was like.
Grumbly: Well, it was a very different experience from the experience I had at Fernald. I can’t say it was completely negative, but quite different. As I recall and the facts are a little hazy, this many, many years away, but Industrial Excess was
a landfill in Ohio that had been on the Superfund list for several years operated out of Region 5 in Chicago, I believe. And Goodyear Tire and Rubber, I think, was one of the major responsible parties at the site, and there were other responsible parties there
as well, including potentially the Army and, according to some of the people who were around the site, the Department of Energy. This was a site that I would say had been resistant to solution for several years by the time I got into it at the request of then
EPA Administrator Bill Reilly. The remedy that had been discussed and I think, perhaps, even selected at the site initially, was a relatively limited remedy that, frankly, a lot of people in the community around Akron, Ohio, which is where Industrial Excess
was, I believe, it wasn’t acceptable to folks.
And it wasn’t acceptable not simply because they felt that it was the wrong technical solution, but because I think several of the people who were involved, and one woman in particular, really felt that they were being schemed against by the government.
They simply refused to believe that the Environmental Protection Agency and the contractors that it had hired to do the investigation had done it in an honest way. Well, this is, of course, a very difficult
kind of an issue to deal with, and the more the Agency sort of slammed its head against Industrial Excess the more difficult it got. The Congressman from the district, Ralph Regula, I think, had gotten involved.
Anyway, to make a long story somewhat shorter, the Administrator asked if I would try to see if we could review the entire remedy selection process, work with the people who were involved, and see if we could at least close the gap between where the government
was and where the community was. Well, this was easier said than done, and I would say that what came out of the project were a couple of things. First of all, I did a written review of the process, and there were definitely some problems with the way in which
the EPA had come to the conclusion about what the right formula for success was here, and as I recall, there were certain elements of the cleanup that at least, you know, sort of the “man from Mars” might come in and say that there had potentially been—the
Agency had perhaps jumped to a conclusion about what the cleanup solution should be here and had kept that solution in mind while organizing the evidence that went toward it, so there was colorable case that the process should be looked at again.
From the community’s perspective, and in this case the community fell into a number of different camps—one group of people that were pretty much fed up with the entire process and just wanted it to be finished,
and then several people who had essentially taken this on as a political and personal cause, and for those people there was really nothing that the Agency could do then, nor over the years later, to persuade
them that this had been an honest process. What I would say is that, to me, this was an example of someone turning a hazardous waste site into a kind of religious quest.
The process assumes rationality. The process that we have assumes that scientific fact will deal with at least most of what we see in the process, and that there’s a certain amount of residual risk that we can sort of model in the process, and that rational
people can maybe agree to disagree about this, but that ultimately you can get to some kind of a solution that makes sense.
Unfortunately in this particular case—and I’m still not sure that it’s totally been settled—certain people in the community just refused to believe that the government was being honest.
Nothing that I could do to—nothing that I did—did anything but further persuade them that the government was dishonest, and it, I think, points up just
the level of emotion that sometimes invades these processes, and the limitations of what a scientific and technical approach can bring to issues that are inherently emotional and fraught with fears.
I’m not sure that the Agency could do anything more than it did or that anybody could ever persuade the few people who were involved who were kind of zealots about this that anything short of digging up the entire
place and taking it away would satisfy them. So, it was a disappointment.
EPA Interviewer: What kind of lesson did the community involvement function at EPA learn from all of that?
Grumbly: Well, you’ll have to ask them, but I hope that the lesson that’s learned is that you have to continuously involve people from the very beginning of projects and provide them with a degree of independence in the process, so that
the reasonable man, looking at these processes from the outside, would say without hesitation, “That was a fair process that was run.” My overall feeling about community participation in projects is that it is extremely important
for the governmental authorities who are involved to keep listening, to keep outreaching, to not substitute their technical judgment for the community’s judgment too quickly in these kinds of equations, and to adopt the stance that just when you believe that
you’re about talked out, that’s the first time that anybody on the other side is listening.
I wouldn't get your hopes up for a substantive response Chris...
thank you Greg.
August 11, 2026
Greetings NRC and ODH,
I'm a freelance journalist who went to grad school at Kent State University. I have worked with researchers in Northeast Ohio to report on controversies surrounding some of the facilities in Ohio that have produced and/or handled nuclear materials.
A question has arisen about a prior NRC regulation indicating that files on activities at a particular site must be maintained for public viewing within 50 miles of the facility? A source brought this up last year, saying that the NRC had created an archive
on the 10th floor of the Kent State library for files relating to the Goodyear/Wingfoot facility. But when I inquired with the Kent State library last fall, I was told that this physical archive no longer exists and had been either dispersed into the general
collection, or digitized into another collection at the University of Akron. Yet I could not find any such files in either place.
I'm wondering if anyone there knows about this apparently outdated regulation and where researchers might find these files now?
Sincerely,
Greg Schwartz
Cell - (216) 394-6572
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